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The Joshua Stone

"See the stone that I have set before Joshua! On the one stone are seven eyes; and I am engraving an inscription on it,’ declares Jehovah of armies, ‘and I will take away the guilt of that land in one day." Zech 3:9


The Day and Hour


I once again had a conversation with someone about this subject of knowing the day and hour, so I thought I would open a new thread. I will start by including our conversation here;

Their email: "Ac 1:7 He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction.” Mt 24:44 On this account, you too prove yourselves ready, because the Son of man is coming at an hour that you do not think to be it. Mt 24:36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” Da 8:17 So he came near to where I was standing, but when he came I was so terrified that I fell facedown. He said to me: “Understand, O son of man, that the vision is for the time of the end.” Da 12:4,9 “As for you, Daniel, keep the words secret, and seal up the book until the time of the end. Many will rove about, and the true knowledge will become abundant.” ... 9 Then he said: “Go, Daniel, because the words are to be kept secret and sealed up until the time of the end.”

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And then my response; "Let me start by saying I appreciate anyone continuing to serve Jehovah, and we are brothers regardless if we agree or disagree on the details of scripture. May Jehovah's Spirit continue to guide you...

With that said;

Who was Jesus speaking to with this statement?

Ac 1:7 "He said to them: “It does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the Father has placed in his own jurisdiction.” 

He was speaking to the men before him, was he not? It was their responsibility to recognize the time in which they lived in, not our day, that is our responsibility; 

Luk 12:56 "Hypocrites, you know how to examine the appearance of earth and sky, but why do you not know how to examine this particular time?" 

Who would it be that would not be expecting him?

Mth 24:44 "On this account, you too prove yourselves ready, because the Son of man is coming at an hour that you do not think to be it." 

Would it be the wise virgins, or the unwise? Would Jesus come unexpected on those keeping watch, or those who were not watching? Should the Jews have understood the 70 year prophecy, and should have they been on the watch in "their time" in order to know when the Messiah was to arrive? Yes, and in fact many understood, including the elite at the temple who calculated Jesus age by the books of the prophets.

Paul explained that the son of man coming as a thief was directed at the wicked, because he said that Jesus would NOT come as a thief to the faithful; 

1Th 5:4 "But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves, for you are all sons of light and sons of day. We belong neither to night nor to darkness." 

You quoted Jesus words here;

Mt 24:36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father."

Do you know what Jesus meant by "that day and hour no one knows"? His disciples would have... He was talking about the fulfillment of Rosh Hashanah, that "day no one knew the day or hour". It was a two day festival when two witnesses would spot the new moon. They were never sure which of the two days it would be, and weather could be a factor as well, hence the two days.

Granted, we do not know when that faithful Rosh Hashanah will be fulfilled, and I do not claim to know when the end begins, all I do know is when the chronology of Daniel lines up with the lunar calendar for the next one hundred years. 2018 is the next time the chronology lines up, then 2029 and then 2032. I don't know when the end will begin, but my gifts from God are in these matters...

You quoted;

Dan 12:9 "Go, Daniel, because the words are to be kept secret and sealed up until the time of the end.”

This is very true, the chronology of Daniel will not be fulfilled until the end begins, however Jehovah will have his prophets before the end that will be prepared, and have full knowledge of what is to come, before it happens. 

Amos 3:7 "For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing Unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets." 

With all Christian love my dear friend..."


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I would like to explore this subject further, for one cannot base an understanding on a single scripture, but one examines all scripture in order to determine it's meaning.

Someone might say to me, "The Lord will come as a thief in the night." Sure, but who was he speaking too? According to Rev 3:3 he wasn't talking about the faithful.

Rev 3:3 "So remember what you have received and heard; and keep it, and repent Therefore if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come to you."

If we follow Jehovah's direction, that day will not come upon us as a surprise.

Luk 21:34 “But pay attention to yourselves that your hearts never become weighed down with overeating and heavy drinking and anxieties of life, and suddenly that day be instantly upon you as a snare. For it will come upon all those dwelling on the face of the whole earth."

The faithful will be expecting our Lord, and they will not be surprised by his coming.

1Th 5:4 "But you aren't in the dark about these things, dear brothers and sisters, and you won't be surprised when the day of the Lord comes like a thief."

So then our Lord coming as a thief is directed to the wicked, those who are not expecting him, for his faithful will be alert, waiting, and not surprised. The term "thief" is to denote the taking away of something, and that is taking away of these ones from the book of life.

Some will say to me, "It does not belong to you to know the times and seasons.", quoting Acts 1:7, We are admonished to recognize the times in which we live in, so it was not the disciples job to worry about the end of days, but their time in which they lived. It is us that must recognize the time in which we live in and understand the "times and season" of the end. So quite the opposite, we are directed to understand when our Lord would return. so that day does not overtake us as a thief would.

Luk 12:56 "Hypocrites, you know how to examine the appearance of earth and sky, but why do you not know how to examine this particular time?"

Mth 16:2,3 "In reply he said to them: “When evening falls, you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is fire-red,’ and in the morning, ‘It will be wintry, rainy weather today, for the sky is fire-red but gloomy.’ You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but the signs of the times you cannot interpret."

1Th 5:4 "But you, brothers, you are not in darkness, so that the day should overtake you as it would thieves,"

To believe Jehovah would not have his prophets in the time of the end who understood when the Lord would return is not Bibically supported.

Amos 3:7 "For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing Unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets."

All love...